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A stiff hand is one in which the initial two cards amount to between 12 and 16 and don't contain an ace. They're called β€œstiff” because there isn't.


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If you already have the correct answer, why bother to agonize over "how right" it is? I would be expecting a small card. I have read your resume and was very impressed with both your credentials and your thoughtful and enlightening posts. So using your example I have 3 10s and if the pip average were 7. That is, it tells you about the composition of remaining cards but nothing about their order. Mayor you have the brains to give us a system based on the number of pips remaining in a deck with indexes on how many pips it takes to vary strategy. The count is just one more piece of data you collect to make your decision more accurate. Cyrano Well-Known Member May 31, That means you've disregarded the other 50 cards in the deck, right? Now consider a second, very hypothetical scenario.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Will you stick to the count-based decision or will you put your faith in this new system and play on a hunch? This is a thought experiement to help me increase my ability to deal logically with my weakest link the stiff hand using hi-low. If so, you will also know that the probability of the next card being a 6 is also X rather than Y. Search titles only. Suppose you can correctly modify your count information using knowledge of those three cards and you calculate correctly that the probability of the hole card being a 6 is now X rather than Y. But don't let this discourage you. You are always basing your decision on the three cards shown. If i get a card that has more pips than average the remaining cards now have less pips than average. I suspect that the idea is not a winning strategy. That is, there has been a very slight shift in the probabilities relating to the next card the shift being smaller earlier in the shoe than later , but a dramatic shift in the probabilities relating to the dealer's hole card. Log in Register. If you could correctly modify your count information in the light of the 3 cards you are considering, you would have a slightly better count system than you would otherwise have. Log in. Search forums. This is the average number of pips on a card. This is exactly the same sort of information that a count system provides. Specifically, whatever information those three cards can tell you about the hole card, they will also tell you about the next card. Would be interested in seeing the results of the sim. Someone else care to interject? If that's the case, I think you can do just as well flipping a coin and save your mental facilities. If I play the 10 the total nuimber of pips that remain in the deck will be 2 divide that by the number of cards remaining 1 and the prediction for the remeining card is 2. New posts. LOL but the probability that 4 numbers will total 22 is much greater. I am guessing that the usefullness of this may be limited to systms where the 7,8. I'm staying. If you are deviating from your count-based decisions a deviation from your BS deviations, if that makes any sense then there IS an incorrect answer. Thread starter Stephen Bauer Start date May 31, Stephen Bauer Member May 31, I have a new idea for help with stiff hands and i am looking for an open discussion of its merits and weaknesses. In contrast, the only additional information you have about the next card is that it will be drawn from all unseen cards, where these unseen cards have been depleted by either one A, one B, or one C. What's new New posts New profile posts Latest activity. I then use this value for the dealer hole card and make a decision based on the "a". I just want to make sure you turn into a Wong or Schlesinger, not a John Patrick. You are obviously trying to put a new spin on an old game. The better the count system, the better on average your decisions will reflect the actual composition of the remaining cards. Since you are looking for "an open discussion of its [your new system] merits and weaknesses", I would suggest that you focus your intellegence on another aspect of the game. To emphasise the distinction, compare two basic scenarios. In a sense, you have taken a very small step towards precise knowledge of how many of each card remain, and what this implies for strategy. Optimal strategy would account for the shifting probabilities of all unseen cards, not just the hole card. If i have only two cards a ten and a two they total 12 pips. Forums Miscellaneous Blackjack - CardCounter. The probability that any single number is 5. In this case, the information about the hole card is of overwhelming importance, and will have a much bigger impact on optimal strategy than the weak information about the next card. I am suggestiong this only as a brainstorming technique to get all the great minds we have here working on our common problem of dealing more efficiently with stiff hands. I leave it mayor to your great mind to determine many pips an ace has one or I find your thought process interesting, and I like how you're trying to think of new angles. Add the numbers up from 1 to I get Divide these numbers by 10 i get 5. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Forums New posts Search forums. Correct modification of your count that factored in all the cards in the present round would be a larger step. But I think there is a slight flaw in your basic assumptions. Search Advanced search…. I cannot tell you which numbers will be selected in a lottery however i will make book with you that the sum of the random numbers selected will cluster about some centerpoint and that the standard deviations will follow the bell curve. Stephen Bauer Member Jun 2, Dear Mayor, Thank you for your contribution to my thought experiment. There is no longer an incorrect answer to our decision. I am now suggesting that we use another valid system to yield additional information just as the count system does in the decisions surrounding Basic Strategy. The system we are using to evaluate our imformation has taken you to an impass. We are free to randomly choose our action. If you have this kind of free time and free mental energy at the tables, add another side count or something. Count the number of pips on deck shoe divide by the number of cards in the deck shoe. The random card removed is not indepenfent. Now if i select 4 numbers at random and add them they will tend to equal 5. If someone doesn't do the sim for me soon, i'll have to do it. Keeping separate count of all thirteen denominations from the start of the shoe and calculating the optimal strategy on the basis of the remaining densities would be the ultimate level for this type of strategy which monitors composition but disregards order. Stephen Bauer Member Jun 1, Dear Wong out, Thank you for your response. If the wizard of odds would run a sim and give us better numbers and statistics for what i am doing I would appreciate it. Sonny Well-Known Member Jun 1, But what if your new system contradicts what the count tells you to do? I do it a little every day in practice and keep track of the statistics. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I total the 3 cards i see my two cards and the dealer up card and subtract them from the 30 which would give me "a" value of the dealers hole card. That is commendable. Members Current visitors New profile posts Search profile posts. In the first, you think you spot enough of the dealer's hole card to know that it is card A, B, or C with equiprobability, but not card D, E, Here you have much stronger information about the dealer's hole card than you do about the next card. Your new system will not increase your EV nearly enough to be worth the extra effort. Conditional probabilities This is the "independent case" towards which the other cases converge. I plan on also understanding the role of the count i already have and how it influences the expected total. I give the average card a value of 7. Stephen; I have no idea what you are talking about doing. If you can manage to add all the other peoples hands and do the math and decide the hole card using the much larger sampling i'm happy for you. I have 20 dealer has a ten and a presumed small card. What I have been doing is when i have a hand that has almost a. For Example in this case less than a 7. You know the hole card is either A, B, or C.